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Greg Wright:
Hi, this is Greg Wright, public relations manager at the National Association of social workers. Our guest today is Joan Zlotnik. Joan Zlotnik is a consultant at NASW and we consider Joan an encyclopedia of social work. Her knowledge is amazing. Today we will be talking about social work and public policy and also a report maximizing social works, policy impact, and the changing political climate. Welcome, Joan. I'm glad to be here today. So, our first question is social workers have long been involved in shaping public policy. I was wondering if you could actually give us a few examples of that.
Joan Zlotnik:
Sure. I'm happy to do that. Certainly. I historically social workers were involved with the creation of the Children's Bureau in 1912 and throughout the years as a social workers have had a strong role in the Children's Bureau, including currently Jerry Milner is the head of the children's bureau. He's a social worker with great child welfare experience in the Clinton administration. Carol Spigner was head of the Children's Bureau and [inaudible] serves as head of health and human services for Montgomery County, Maryland. Alison Blake was the child welfare director for many years in New Jersey. All strong social workers and perhaps a particular note because people see her on a CNN and MSNBC and other NPR is Wendy Sherman who is a social worker graduate of the University of Maryland School of social work, who was the chief negotiator of the Iran nuclear deal.
Greg Wright:
Even though there is a lot or many social workers who are involved in public policy, there's always a sentiment that they could do more or there could be more doing this. And why is the attitude out there, Joan?
Joan Zlotnik:
I think while social workers have always had a involvement in policy making and policy has been an important part of macro social work practice. It's one thing to have some key people who are leaders in policy making, but I think what we really want to look at is how can we make sure that social workers, no matter what they're doing, are aware of the importance of policy involvement every day in their careers and how policy really impacts their practice, whether they're clinicians or um, people who are working in agencies no matter what the population is. And so we want to really see how we can get more social workers involved in policy practice and understanding that advocacy is an important part of social work from a code of ethics point of view.
Greg Wright:
Okay. In 2015 the Fund for Social work Policy, Education and Practice was actually created to get more social workers into public policy. I was wondering if you could tell us a bit more about this fund.
Joan Zlotnik:
Sure. I would be happy to. Patricia White, who was a long time program officer at the New York community trust, worked with the New York community trust to really target funds towards social work and policy involvement with the Fund for Social Policy Education and Practice. And she went and directed that implementation of that fund between 2015 and 2017. Pat White's a social worker and she really involved key social work organizations in the fund to really get more attention to policy and advocacy within the profession. And there's a number of activities that fund supported including enhanced field placements, improved website and resources from influencing social policy policy fellows, from the Network for Social Work Management, a boot camp for early career researchers around getting policy to getting research to policy makers.
Greg Wright:
Also in April of 2017 this fund was instrumental in actually creating a summit which was hosted by NASW called "Maximizing Social Work's Policy Impact in a Changing Political Climate." I was wondering if you could actually tell us how this summit was formed and what happened there.
Joan Zlotnik:
The summit was created as one of the projects of the Fund for Social Policy Education and practice was a coalition of social work organizations really working together to really give more visibility to policy efforts. And some of the, um, initiatives that I just mentioned. And one of the things that the coalition thought was that it would be really important to have some kind of summit that would bring together these various initiatives that were going on. And that became even more important after the November, 2016 election. So that changed the focus a little bit, but really the focus was on enhancing the efforts in social work around policy practice to infuse greater attention to policy across all of education and practice and to highlight, highlight opportunities for partnerships between social work education and advocacy organizations. We included in the summit, people from national policy advocacy organizations and think tanks, people from NASW chapters, social work educators, social work practitioners, managers, people from other social work on national organizations and really wanted to develop an action agenda about what could happen to really address the changing political climate as well as enhanced attention to policy practice and advocacy. I'm wondering what are some of those action items that resulted from this summit? So there's a whole set of action items that occurred and they kind of fell into different categories really representing the fact that social workers are really well positioned to impact policy, both in terms of the values of the profession, the ethics of the profession as well as the systems perspective and the ability to connect real world stories with data and research. So the um, initiatives really kind of building on the idea that social workers can be policy changes focused on what national social work organizations could do, especially the National Association of Social Workers in the council on social work education. What advocacy organizations and think tanks could do, what social work education leaders could do, what field directors could do with social work faculty can do and what social work students can do. And those efforts really, um, focused on wanting more attention to policy practice and suggesting that, uh, for NASW and CSWE, they should make in their communications a much clearer link to what the policy implications are of what's talked about. Like one idea would be that what clinical social workers get reimbursed for by insurance companies is very closely tied to the Medicare reimbursement rates and the Medicare reimbursement rates for clinical social workers have very low. And the only way to change that is through policy change and that would impact the profession overall. But a lot of people aren't aware of that link. Also there was a recommendation to, uh, promote the idea of more policy awards for policy practitioners for NASW and the Council on Social Work Education to serve more as sort of an intermediary to get research to policy makers since they both have active policy, advocacy efforts, going on, on Capitol Hill at the national level. And certainly NASW does at the chapter level as well. And to really make sure that people understand the difference between lobbying and advocacy because lobbying is on a specific piece of legislation. But advocacy is really about educating policy makers about what a difference it makes in terms of access to various services, protection of immigrants, things like that.
Greg Wright:
So we are wondering how folks can take recommendations from this and actually translate it into - you know - social work education and other areas. We're wondering if you could give us just a few examples of that.
Joan Zlotnik:
Sure. One of the issues is that many schools of social work don't really offer policy field placements or encourage students to pursue policy field placements. So there's an opportunity to really have field directors in schools of social work about the BSW and MSW level, learn from colleagues who've been successful in developing field placements. And one of the initiatives that's highlighted in the report is what's going on in the New Mexico chapter of NASW with field students as well as some of the work that's gone on in Nevada at the University of Nevada, Reno. So people could learn about that and follow up on it as well as we involved in the meeting, the chair of CSWE's commission on field education to really take this focus on policy practice and make it greater. And it's important for students who are interested in policy work to really be good advocates when they're in social work school to say they really want this and not get discouraged if someone says, oh, well you should be doing something else because policy is a strong part of social work education. Another thing we really recommend is for schools of social work to do a better job in keeping in contact with their alumni who do go into policy careers and we recommend to the people who are working in policy to link back either with their school of social work or the schools that are in their community, where they're working so that they can serve as mentors and potentially feel directors for social work students.
Greg Wright:
There's also a program called Social Work Heals as well. How does all of that tie into this?
Joan Zlotnik:
Sure. That's a great question. Because the New York Community Trust, while I was funding the fund for Social Policy Education and Practice also funds a project called Social Work Heals. That's a collaboration between the National Association of Social Workers and the Council on Social Work Education where it's providing funding in 10 schools of social work for BSW and MSW students to do health field placements, to have enhanced social work education. It also provides enhanced funding for, for each year Verne Lyons scholars through the NASW Foundation. Those students come to D.C. one time during their fellowship year to come and hear from social workers working on health policy and then to go up on Capitol Hill to speak with their lawmakers. And the students have been so impressive and really understanding that connection between what they're learning in school, what they're experiencing in their field placements and the impact on policy related to things like the opioid crisis and neonatal intensive care. The Heals program also provides doctoral fellowships and one of those is particularly focused on health policy as well. And each of the 10 schools of social work that are involved have also done a policy event in their community and the projects, a five year project where we are just entering year four of it. So it's really been very exciting.
Greg Wright:
So, tell us a little bit more about yourself. How did you first get involved in social work? Who actually got you into this growing up?
Joan Zlotnik:
I don't think I really knew any social workers, but as a high school student, I spent a summer volunteering at a local hospital and I was in the home care unit. And so that's where social workers went out and did follow up for people who were in the hospital. And I really found that kind of work very interesting. And it was really after college that I then decided to pursue a social work degree. I went to the University of Wisconsin Madison at the time, it was very focused on a systems approach to social work. So it wasn't kind of dividing people up into the sort of micro and macro. And I think that education really was so valuable and I always thought that I wanted to kind of work at the local level. But then when I moved to DC, I wanted to take what I learned at the local level and really work at the national level. And I was fortunate back in 1987 to actually be hired by the National Association of Social Workers to be their key staff person working on child welfare and aging and family issues. And from there it kind of kicked off and I spent nine years running an organization that really worked at the intersection of policy, practice, research and education where I was really working to look at sort of what's the evidence base and how can we inform policy makers and work with the executive branch of government to really highlight the contributions of social workers.
Greg Wright:
Thank you for being our guest on social work talks and we hope to have you back.
Joan Zlotnik:
Thank you, Greg. Thank you.
Greg Wright:
Okay.
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